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[00:00:00] What's going on, 5 fans? Combattalk.fm back on the air. My name is Lister. I'm your host. We're
[00:00:13] going to start a little bit differently today and then I have a quick announcement. I'm debating whether
[00:00:19] I should start talking just briefly not a lot but start talking about what's going on in WWE.
[00:00:25] Just to give a little history on that business. I was in WWE as a kid as most people were and then it
[00:00:31] turned to crap and arguably it's not as good now as it was. People think it is but this is really
[00:00:37] just promos. We're not talking, I'm not a fan of the flips and dives and refs watching people cheat
[00:00:43] and no rest holds, no fricking submission. I'm not a fan of the current era. I understand what
[00:00:50] they're trying to do. I'm not a fan of it. I'm not a fan of the fast action. I like a story to be told.
[00:00:56] It doesn't have to be just Matt wrestling all over the place but I want a story to be told. I want
[00:01:01] to be brought in. If you think of Drew McIntyre now, I think his garbage compared to the chosen one
[00:01:08] because he stood out as just he said, you know what? He was he was larger than life in what I saw
[00:01:15] and him going back and forth with Teddy Long like this whole business right now
[00:01:19] with the Roman Reigns and the Rock and Cody and Seth Rollins. I don't think Rollins should be in it
[00:01:24] and I'm not digging on Tyler Black, I think he's decent. His character sucks. He's crap. I don't
[00:01:29] think anything of him. His title has been made to look like garbage. It really should be Stone Cold
[00:01:34] Steve Austin standing at the side of Cody Rhodes because Stone Cold Steve Austin bounces off the
[00:01:38] rock really well and Stone Cold Steve Austin has never confronted Roman Reigns. I thought that
[00:01:43] would be more compelling. I know the story they're trying to tell with Roman Reigns and Seth Rollins
[00:01:48] haven't been in the shield but she don't have Dean Ambrose there. If you had Dean Ambrose, maybe I
[00:01:52] can make a case but without that it's garbage. Rollins has already beaten Seth by Roman Reigns multiple
[00:01:57] times but yet Rollins goes on the air talking about Cody, you're the only one that can stop Roman
[00:02:01] Reigns and all this which pissed me off. I'm like come on dude you beaten you're the only one that
[00:02:06] is beaten Roman Reigns consistently pretty much. I don't think he's ever lost one on one with Roman
[00:02:11] Reigns so how isn't the Cody Rhodes who comes in essentially an outsider takes a clean loss to Drew
[00:02:16] McIntyre is now the only person who can beat Roman Reigns. It doesn't make any damn sense. It
[00:02:21] doesn't make any damn sense so I'm not sold and thus I'm not invested. The rock has me invested
[00:02:26] because he's the rock. I enjoy it. I'm not sold on the bloodline only because they're not going
[00:02:32] all in on it. So right now it looks like a ghetto version of the nation of domination. The
[00:02:36] rock is who's selling it and he's I'm a fan of his have been a fan of his for decades,
[00:02:41] for decades since he first got in with the you know the streamers and the grass skirt as Farouk said
[00:02:48] I've been a fan of his. I just think he's a cool dude. I like now he's made some mistakes since
[00:02:52] but you know I'm talking in the business. He's been a cool dude and I loved everything he was doing
[00:02:57] but right now it's like a ghetto version of the nation of domination if we're being honest with
[00:03:01] ourselves that's really what we've got going. A ghetto version of the nation of domination
[00:03:05] and then Cody everybody else in the bloodline look like kids behind the rock because the rock dresses
[00:03:10] like a man and the rest of them dress like bombs and then Cody dresses like a man but he effectively
[00:03:15] sucks in the ring from what I can see. Everybody just likes to sing his song Seth wrongs that I can sing
[00:03:20] his song so now it's obvious they're just going off the height of the song singing because they want
[00:03:25] that that's all it is they're not they're not moving the needle. The rock moves the needle he draws
[00:03:30] money Roman Reigns draws money Paul him and draws money. Usos don't solo doesn't solos underrated solo
[00:03:38] I'm a big fan of his I think he's underrated. I don't think he's getting the I don't think he's
[00:03:42] getting the spotlight like he should he's raw but I think there's something there where he could be
[00:03:47] that next umaga that just happens to be just an enforcer that keep him quiet on the mic
[00:03:53] letting go out there just destroy like you think about prime taz but just not as good on the mic
[00:03:58] skills that's what I see a solo sokoa he's he's killer but like the bloodline they're not going all
[00:04:03] in on it by now we should have had he overkichi back in there with his bad man theme
[00:04:09] back in this up I did it for the rock this is what we should be seeing now because it ties at all
[00:04:14] full throttle because if you go back to that promo rekichi was talking about how the family was
[00:04:20] being held down in the great white hope you can't call out a better story they're afraid they're
[00:04:25] afraid to move that but that would be a great storytelling to have he overkichi in their backing
[00:04:30] essentially one of his kids and his family as part of a bloodline larger narrative then you need to
[00:04:36] call in nea jacks because she's part of it yes it's kind of a disconnected part but she's part
[00:04:41] of it get her in there let's figure out how to get tamina in there if you're going to go with a bloodline
[00:04:47] story go all in higher jake of fatu you showed him on the poster getting the fucking there like get
[00:04:53] all of them let's make a real bloodline they should be then decimating the entire fucking locker room
[00:04:59] taking all the titles I want all to go that's a roman said one time get all of it get the usos back
[00:05:05] together they should be dominating the tag team division they should stop with their high flying
[00:05:09] gimmick they should actually work as an effective tag team sell this then you get off and you get
[00:05:14] seeka and you get all these other ones from the old school to come in and tell the story about how
[00:05:20] they're proud and just go all in on this they're not doing it instead they're doing it to put over
[00:05:26] fucking Cody roads because the crybades that's what they are and I love what the rock is saying
[00:05:32] but i'm not fully invested so people that love it they love it just because they're Cody
[00:05:37] crybades and they want to see Cody get put over and I understand that man but for me it didn't
[00:05:41] really work doesn't move the needle for me brother and so i'm just kind of watching from the distance
[00:05:45] but i'm not sold 100% on this whole feud so i'm debating whether to talk about it people say well
[00:05:52] what do you want to see what i want to see is what we have before so do i like a blend okay i like
[00:05:58] the stories i like the characters i like the backstage skits i like the not all of them right but
[00:06:04] you know not the art truth shit but i'm talking you know where you actually have some antagonism backstage
[00:06:09] i like the announcer or whoever that's in the ring holding the mic for the person talking while
[00:06:15] they're talking to the people not to hold their own mic that feels stagy i hate that crap if you
[00:06:20] go back to an austin and the rock refuting and they're out at the bridge and austin punch the
[00:06:26] rock and the rock fell into the wall or yeah fell into the water and also is like what you know
[00:06:31] that kind of stuff that's what i want to see i want to see those kinds of segments you know the break
[00:06:35] ends and all that bullshit that that's what i want to see but then on the women's side people
[00:06:40] like all these muscle your women nobody wants to see that shit that's why those ratings are the lowest
[00:06:43] rating nobody wants to see muscular women going out there doing that stuff they want to see sexiness
[00:06:49] they want us to be attracted to the women that are in the ring that's what gets over why do you think live
[00:06:54] morgan got such a visceral following it's because she's sexy not because she's eating a good but she's
[00:06:59] sexy so need to build she's sexy she can fight but she's sexy she's lesbian but she's sexy we want
[00:07:07] to be attracted to who it is that we're seeing that's always how it's been on the men's side the
[00:07:12] you know the women want to be attracted that's rock knows that everybody knows that but we're running
[00:07:17] from that reality that's what we need to get back to a blend of all this nobody wants to see these
[00:07:22] women's rick and matches of them hitting themselves a kendo sticks and shit they want to see you know
[00:07:27] what this woman is over here flirting with one of the dudes and this other woman over here is jealous
[00:07:33] and they get into a beef over that dude and then they have added or this woman over here she claims
[00:07:39] that she wants to learn how to be a wrestler and she's working with the dude and training to try
[00:07:42] to work herself up and then this other girl comes along try to take the do at some point the women
[00:07:47] should be managers if they're not going to be hardcore wrestlers and they're going to be hardcore
[00:07:51] wrestlers there needs to be a story involving the men so you take ria and dominate somebody should
[00:07:56] be flirting with dominic by now I'd like to see zelina vega just a little bit of flirting and then
[00:08:00] have to go all the way just set up feuds and then cause b cause are we a reason for them to be for
[00:08:05] then let dominic bounce off it you know crazy shit like that that's what I like to see sorry
[00:08:10] that's what I want to see because we want to see sexy women we want us to be attracted to the people
[00:08:15] that are out there and then on the other side we want to see competition and I don't want to see
[00:08:20] just random people just going out and taking ill for no reason I don't want to see where people
[00:08:24] are taking multiple finishers and kicking out I want it to be a competitive sport if you're at
[00:08:29] the top level I expect kickouts because you're at the top level but not random jobbers kicking out of
[00:08:34] the dbt's where Jake Roberts was taking you out like it doesn't make any fucking sense anyway I'm
[00:08:38] done with my rant now so now we're here to talk some boxing we had some events wrap up today as
[00:08:44] I record this and I'm going to crash course through all of those and you know you got to come back
[00:08:48] and give me my as the kids say give me my flowers because the vast majority of these I told you
[00:08:53] that the pay for view is going to be worth your money if you didn't buy the pay for view you lost
[00:08:57] out because we had pretty good fights I think some of them may have been disappointed but generally
[00:09:01] speaking top to bottom it was a great event overall I'm going to go through those results then we're
[00:09:06] going to get to what's new because there's less that's new than the results that kind of surprise
[00:09:10] some people I don't know why surprise people because you got a lister here combat talk that
[00:09:13] I'm told you what was likely to happen first up 12 rounds super well to a madramov and
[00:09:18] Kerbin off was a bar murder amazing fight two undefeated guys go out there madramov gets the stopage
[00:09:24] win this was an amazing fight and if you didn't get to see it you missed a great fight as I told you
[00:09:30] it was going to be this was going to be the worth the price of admission I arguably think it was
[00:09:34] the win that madramov got even though he has less I expected to I expected to see that madramov
[00:09:40] was going to have something for him because of what I saw just on the numbers and the fact that
[00:09:45] you know ultimately madramov just had to do what he always did and that's exactly what he did
[00:09:50] goes out there gets a stoppage win as I expected but it was even on the numbers like you're not talking
[00:09:54] like a obvious win it was I'm leaning over this way because of what I see of the guy but this was
[00:10:01] a this was a pick up and it was a great win he's going to move on to some good stuff now they got
[00:10:05] to calm down with this next ganade galafkin bullshit I understand why they say that but no he's not
[00:10:10] in that level and Kerbin all the solid it's not like he wasn't there he was there he was there
[00:10:15] and he was working hard so we got to give him credit for an amazing fight two it's not like
[00:10:20] it's just a complete dominant you know wash it was not good fight for what it was though
[00:10:26] Ray Vargas and ball this one surprised me I did not expect you know I did not expect ball I
[00:10:33] expected ball to have his hands full with Vargas and that's what happened he had his hands full
[00:10:38] all night long he had his hands full with freaking Ray Vargas and people were like no Ray Vargas
[00:10:45] a ball is going to beat for I don't like what are you kidding me the vast majority of people online
[00:10:49] felt like ball was going to wash and I'm like are you kidding me this is Ray Vargas there's no way
[00:10:54] he's going to be able to easily deal with this that's it's not going to happen and that's what you saw
[00:10:59] what you saw was a split decision draw so we didn't get an outcome that's not saying that ball
[00:11:04] didn't work he worked he worked his ass off but this is Ray Vargas I told you before the fight
[00:11:10] that Ray Vargas is going to be there and he's none of his hand this ball kid he's got his hands full
[00:11:15] as good as I think he might be this is a test and he was tested and I think he did really good if
[00:11:20] they run it back I think ball would make enough adjustments to get the W on Vargas I think it
[00:11:25] was enough shown that Vargas is still in the game remember Vargas only had everyone lost so it's
[00:11:30] like it's not like he's been washed in any multiple fights he only had the one loss coming into the
[00:11:35] fight so people talking about he's toast he's yeah he's older but it's not like he's completely
[00:11:41] damaged he's been preserving himself in career and he's been going to distance solidly in all of the
[00:11:47] fights I think people got overrated by ball I think they go off the eye test and a lot of these
[00:11:52] people are international so it doesn't surprise me but I'm just telling you what I saw which is
[00:11:57] balls a good kid he's got heart he's got spirit he worked his ass off I'd like to see him back in
[00:12:02] there I'd like to see this run back I do think that he does beat Vargas but he needs to go back to the
[00:12:08] draw board a little bit and he needs to work on defense I think the defense was lacking in the fight
[00:12:12] I think he didn't he was not protecting himself like it didn't seem like a priority for him to
[00:12:19] protect himself before he was going on the attack so like sometimes you have to get better at
[00:12:24] protecting yourself than you do going on the offensive he tried but it just seemed like defense
[00:12:29] was not strong for him like it needed to be against this kind of an opponent that's all so I want
[00:12:35] to see him back in there I want to see him make those adjustments I think he'll be okay I don't think
[00:12:40] this is like a end or nothing it's a draw you know let's let's do a get back and see what happens
[00:12:46] the heavyweight fight John versus Parker this one surprised me the outcome surprised me Parker got
[00:12:52] eke to buy he eke out against John but I was surprised I told you before the fight you know people
[00:12:58] were saying you know John's gonna blow out Parker and I said no Parker if anything Parker is really
[00:13:04] good at and and if he was able to last past six it was going to be a decision I told you that was
[00:13:09] going to happen because Parker it's like John has always only ever gotten you out in the early
[00:13:14] part of the fight if he can't do that it was going to lean Parker and that's what you saw here
[00:13:18] but what surprised me I think John showed me he's got skill beyond power beyond awkwardness he's got
[00:13:26] skill because he was he was hand-to-hand with this guy all night long and he really impressed me
[00:13:33] and that's not saying he wasn't anything good but he's never been you know stylistically brilliant
[00:13:39] in my eyes I didn't expect to see what I saw most people saw Jack knocking out Parker and I said
[00:13:45] only if Parker makes a mistake and gets caught before six and that did not happen and it went exactly
[00:13:50] the way I told you so spread the word if you got people who are making bad calls and make you lose
[00:13:55] money in your bets that you got a lister combo come back talk about FM is getting it right like a beat
[00:14:00] like a beast here so I it went exactly like I said if Parker lasted past six John was gonna get out
[00:14:07] box that's exactly what you saw effectively except that John showed up knowing he wasn't going to get
[00:14:12] the guy out of there and then showed some skill when he shows him real quality I loved what I saw
[00:14:16] here I think the right guy got the hand raised I would I wouldn't be averse to a rematch on this one
[00:14:22] but I would like to see a little bit more out of both guys you know in terms of the division overall
[00:14:27] I'd like to see them fight somebody else first and then maybe do a get back sometime down the road
[00:14:32] I wouldn't mind seeing that because I think Parker I don't know what was going on with Parker before
[00:14:37] you know where he was just taking L's and he got knocked out by Joe Joe I don't know what was going
[00:14:40] on if he was messed up mentally but he seems reinvigorated back in the in the action I damn sure
[00:14:46] don't want to see him against Anthony Joshua again but this version of Joshua which we'll talk
[00:14:52] about here in a second maybe it makes sense I'm not sure but I am happy that you know I am happy
[00:14:58] that it went the way it went I think some people are kind of pissed off because they wanted to see
[00:15:02] Jean-Guy against Joshua I wouldn't want to see that speaking of Anthony Joshua versus Francis
[00:15:08] Nagano man you talk about people getting this wrong everybody online except for Leicester here come
[00:15:14] back talk about FM got it way wrong and I have no idea what the fuck people were talking about when
[00:15:19] they called this and they said Nagano was going to go out there and deal with Anthony Joshua
[00:15:24] Nagano was going to get a knockout against Anthony Joshua Nagano is going to go on to be the next big
[00:15:29] star Nagano's going to upset the apple cart and I don't know where the hell people got this off
[00:15:34] and I'm the biggest Anthony Joshua critic there is but it was obvious I I broken down listen to my
[00:15:39] episode this was last week I broke down exactly how I felt this fight was going to go I said that Tyson
[00:15:46] Fury fought Nagano stupid Tyson Fury fought Nagano like he fought Wilder even though Nagano had
[00:15:52] a completely different build Nagano was stocky Nagano was he's bulky he's stocky he has trees
[00:15:58] for legs so Tyson Fury trying to lean on him and wamed down did making the damn sense it may not
[00:16:04] whereas Joshua I said if Joshua stays away from Nagano just hits him at range he's going to get
[00:16:09] him out of there that's exactly what happened in the second round after dropping him three times
[00:16:14] Joshua made it look easy Joshua made Nagano look like he belonging to damn ring and that's not a
[00:16:20] thing on Nagano because I think he has a basic level of skill but you got to think about styles
[00:16:24] styles make fights in this case Joshua style was always wrong from Nagano so the people talking
[00:16:30] about Nagano is going to get a knockout this is why I'm saying when Uncle Rajami whether said most
[00:16:34] motherfuckers don't know shit about boxing this is what he's talking about because you're going off an
[00:16:38] eye test against an opponent where the opponent fought stupid that's what caused it it wasn't anywhere
[00:16:44] around Nagano skill he didn't do anything against Fury that was amazing Fury just fought like a damn
[00:16:50] idiot that's what you saw so then when people are getting phased by this garbage it's like no you
[00:16:56] got to step back here bro because Joshua in this fight made the dude look like he did not belong
[00:17:02] into damn ring and the handy hit was a right hand right hand that put him down flat on his back
[00:17:08] out cold and give him oxygen can you imagine if that was I'm not talking the current one but prime
[00:17:13] diante wilder in there tossing that same right hand it had been a body on the record and so this is
[00:17:18] this is the danger of the game and people online you got to let it go man they did this with
[00:17:25] fucking McGregor talking about Greg so knock out Floyd and all this stuff and then they did it
[00:17:30] with Logan Paul Logan Paul's gonna knock out Floyd and now the Gano they can't separate what
[00:17:36] they're seeing to understand why a fight goes away it does Fury versus Nagano was more about
[00:17:42] Fury showing up like an idiot than it was anything the Gano did that's what it is Crawford and
[00:17:48] Spence was more about Spence not effectively showing up physically than it was about anything
[00:17:52] specifically Crawford was doing because again Spence didn't fight like he normally did and he was
[00:17:57] getting rocked off shit he shouldn't again rocked off which made no damn sense Blair Cobbs and
[00:18:02] Alexis Rocha Alexis Rocha had never fought like that leading up to that type of a fight and then he
[00:18:07] goes out there and blows out Blair Cobbs when nobody saw that shit coming only to then fight another
[00:18:13] scrub and get completely dominant do you understand that it's sometimes around the fighter themselves
[00:18:18] that causes the course of the fight to go Floyd Mayweather was a master at this I would argue Devin
[00:18:23] Haney is close in how he's able to do that tank Davis is close and how he's able to do that but in
[00:18:28] the vast majority of the routine fighters it's really more about whether your opponent shows the
[00:18:33] fuck up or not and if they don't show up that's what it is many pack your versus Jeff Horn many
[00:18:38] pack your didn't show up that night which is why Jeff Horn took seven rounds off the mother
[00:18:42] fucker because man he didn't show up Horn wasn't doing anything spectacular man he didn't show up and he
[00:18:50] took an L it happens so I'm saying for all y'all that we're talking about Nagano the knockout Joshua
[00:18:57] Nagano's the next beast Nagano dominates the division this this you gotta learn the game if you're
[00:19:02] not gonna learn the game you shouldn't watch the game you can do whatever but this was not gonna go
[00:19:07] the way that she's taught us going to go and the bottom line is this went exactly the way
[00:19:11] that I said it was gonna go and it was an amazing outcome I don't think it was an unsurprising outcome
[00:19:16] it was an amazing outcome for what it is now now we got our results it was an amazing weekend
[00:19:23] I think we it's exciting you know the boxing was amazing WWE promos are good now the action
[00:19:29] still kind of shit and we still don't have sex back in there but the bottom line we have a
[00:19:34] little bit of excitement coming back into sports and some of this stuff I don't like a moving
[00:19:38] to streaming platforms but nevertheless let's talk about what's coming up and the vast majority
[00:19:43] of these are gonna be happening on Wednesday as I record this so Wednesday coming up on the 13th
[00:19:49] is when these rights are gonna be happening uh this is on pro box TV give them a shout out I have great
[00:19:55] platform they support their ring girls I think it's free for right now so definitely give them a
[00:19:59] shout out they apparently bought out boxing scenes that's interesting so we'll see if NSB gets
[00:20:04] any better but in plant city 10 rounds at light heavyweight action uh Radovaj Kalagic versus
[00:20:11] Sula Vamborera Sula Vamborera is a legend he's been in the business a long fucking time 42 years old
[00:20:17] he is a quality fighter but man he's he's had a rough time of it this is a terrible match up on
[00:20:23] the numbers it's a terrible match up uh Sula Vamborera's he's been in war he's got knocked out his
[00:20:28] most recent fight uh Kalagic is a good fighter definitely good fighter he's not on he's if this was a
[00:20:35] prime Sula Vamborera he would deal with Kalagic with ease but this is no this is a wash and Kalagic
[00:20:42] coming off a win but he had some losses before he got knocked out before and the fight prior to this
[00:20:47] again he's a good fighter but he makes mistakes he makes a lot of mistakes he's not gonna have
[00:20:51] Barrairs not gonna have anything for him he's gonna walk right through Barrair I think this will be a
[00:20:55] knockout again if not a stoppage is my guess on that one it's a mismatch i'm disappointed to see
[00:21:00] that kind of a mismatch happening but i understand and then on the undercard of that 10 rounds at
[00:21:05] welt-weight action Lucas Santamaria picks his return against Nicholas Flos and Nicholas Flos
[00:21:11] I covered on one of his fights in its Santa Maria of course I covered a couple times and
[00:21:15] this was a better matched fight roughly equal on the books roughly saying number fights in the
[00:21:19] business both have losses both orthodox I think Flos has a little bit of a reach advantage other
[00:21:25] than that's roughly equal on the books this is a really good fight for what it is it's hard to call
[00:21:29] this one I watched a little bit of footage it's hard to call this one i don't even want to do them
[00:21:33] into service but if you do want to check out some fights this is worth watching people online know
[00:21:38] more about Flos and I do they think Flos wins it by knockout perhaps he does I can't say for sure
[00:21:44] that's what we got on combat side happened so exciting things exciting stuff check out some of
[00:21:51] the events and definitely again give pro box tv your love they're doing good they're trying you know
[00:21:55] they're trying they're trying to bring more boxing to mainstream I don't like their schedule
[00:21:59] but they're trying to be more bring more boxing out to the mainstream so they deserve respect for
[00:22:03] that and we'll check back in from the next set of fights that's going to be happening on Saturday
[00:22:09] where we got a little bit more big fights up on the deck and some more exciting stuff happening
[00:22:14] in the near future